I thought I should write a bit about Brompton rear pivots, as a few people have asked. Brompton rear pivots are all the same, going back 30+ years. Now I’m going to immediately contradict myself – there are two types
On Standards
A reasonably common question I get asked about my Brompton frame parts is what standards are they built for (and why)?
All my forks are 100 x 9mm QR, rear triangles are 135mm x 10mm, and disc mounts are IS (International Standard), intended for 160mm rotors.
Some people do ask about through axles, flat mount, and other standards – so why do I stick with these older standards? There’s a bunch of reasons:
- Compatibility: a few hub gears can be made to work with through axles, but everything works with 135x10mm, and it can also work with derailleurs and pretty much anything else. At the front, 100x9mm works with disc hubs, dynamo hubs, and it works nicely with the fork hook. For disc mounts, IS allows a wide choice of brakes.
- Ease of manufacturing: Not a trivial concern when I make several hundred of these every year! Flat plate dropouts and disc mounts are much quicker to manufacture than through axle or different disc mounts.
- Cost: A connected reason (because time is money) but different standards would either need more expensive parts, or would need custom parts made via more expensive processes (CNC machined vs laser cut).
- Being ornery: New standards come and go, sometimes the new standards actually make something better, sometimes they’re just a marketing thing, sometimes they’re a good idea but not for little folding bikes. Bromptons don’t need the stiffness of through axles or the aerodynamics of flat mount brakes.
Brompton Upgrades By Model
Brompton’s naming conventions are a bit confusing, and have changed several times, so I thought I’d put together a simple table to show you what upgrades are possible on the different models:
A and C Line All Older Models apart from X | All conversions are possible, by replacing the rear triangle and/or forks |
P and T Line Older X Superlight Models | Hub gear and belt drive are possible by modifying the titanium rear triangle All conversions are possible, by replacing the rear triangle and/or forks |
G Line | Hub gear and belt drive are possible |
Electric | Hub gear, rear disc brake and belt drive are possible Wheel size change is possible with a front V-brake instead of disc |
G-Line vs MTBrompton vs 18″ Brompton
With the launch of the new Brompton 20″ G-Line, I’ve put together a table comparing the G-Line to the MTBrompton. I’ve also added a comparison with an 18″ Brompton, because I think that is actually more like what the G-Line is like.
Brompton G-Line | Kinetics MTBrompton | Kinetics 18″ Brompton | |
Folded Size? | 730 x 690 x 402 mm (0.2 m3) | 750 x 680 x 320 mm (0.16 m3) | 650 x 630 x 310 mm (0.13 m3) |
Weight? | 13.9kg (no rack or mudguards) 14.85kg to 15.25kg (with rack and mudguards) | 14.1kg (no rack or mudguards) 14.75kg (integral rack and mudguards) | 12.9kg (no rack or mudguards) 13.5kg (integral rack and mudguards) |
Disc Brakes? | Tektro hydraulic | TRP Spyre Magura MT4, MT5 etc Hope XCR | TRP Spyre Magura MT4, MT5 etc Hope XCR |
Hub Gear? | Alfine 8-speed | Alfine 8-speed or 11-speed Rohloff 14-speed Enviolo | Alfine 8-speed or 11-speed Rohloff 14-speed Enviolo |
Derailleur Gear? | 4-speed on Electric models | Up to 12-speed | Up to 12-speed |
Drive? | Chain drive | Chain or Belt drive | Chain or Belt drive |
Wheel Size? | 20″ up to 2.1″ wide | 20″ up to 2.4″ wide | 18″ up to 2″ wide 20″ up to 1.35″ wide |
Electric Assist? | Yes, rear hub motor with 4-speed derailleur | Yes – any front hub motor system, or Pendix mid drive | Yes – any front hub motor system, or Pendix mid drive |
Lighting? | Optional battery lights | Optional battery lights or hub dynamo | Optional battery lights or hub dynamo |
Rack? | Optional rear load platform for top bags | Optional integrated rack for panniers | Optional standard Brompton rack Optional integrated rack |
Colours? | Adventure Orange, Traildust White, Forest Green | Any standard Brompton colour Custom colours at extra cost | Any standard Brompton colour Custom colours at extra cost |
Luggage? | Brompton-specific front bags, small rack-top bag at back. | Brompton-specific bags, or full-size panniers front and back | Brompton-specific bags, or full-size panniers front, and rack top bag |
Material? | Steel mainframe and rear triangle, aluminium fork and stem | Steel mainframe, stainless rear triangle, Columbus steel fork | Steel mainframe, stainless rear triangle, Columbus steel fork |
Geometry? | Bottom bracket height 290mm Wheelbase 1115mm | Standard geometry: BB height 350mm Handlebar height (S) 1030mm Head angle 70 deg Seat angle 72 deg Dropped geometry: BB height 300mm Head angle 66 deg Seat angle 68 deg Wheelbase 1118mm | Bottom bracket height 300mm |
Upgrade? | All new bike, existing bikes cannot be upgraded | Existing Bromptons can be upgraded from £1435 | Existing Bromptons can be upgraded from £1275 |
Made? | Made in the UK and other countries | Handmade in Scotland | Handmade in Scotland |
Cost? | From £2499 (with rack and mudguards) | From £2635 | From £2660 (with mudguards) |
Belt Drive Theory
Belt drives have been around on bikes for a while, after several false starts – they’re now very common on electric bikes, cargo bikes, and I’ve been fitting them to Bromptons for years. I get quite a few questions about belt setup, especially on the Brompton, so this article lays out how belt drives work.
Continue reading “Belt Drive Theory”Rohloff Brompton Cable Fitting
A video guide to fitting the cables for a Rohloff Brompton kit – also applicable to Rohloff fitting in general:
Go SwissDrive Service Tool
Go SwissDrive, the manufacturer of electric bike kits, went bust in 2018 – but there are still some kits in use. Sometimes they get a calibration error, which you need the Dealer Service Tool to fix.
Continue reading “Go SwissDrive Service Tool”Brompton Hub Comparisons
With a bunch of different hubs available for the Brompton, I thought a comparison would be a good idea:
Kindernay | Rohloff | Alfine 11 | Alfine 8 | Enviolo NuVinci | Sturmey 8 | |
Number of gears | 14 | 14 | 11 | 8 | n/a | 8 |
Gear range | 543% | 525% | 405% | 307% | 380% | 325% |
Weight | 1.4kg | 1.7kg | 1.6kg | 1.7kg | 2.4kg | 1.8kg |
Gear ratios | 18″-98″ | 19″-100″ | 24″-99″ | 24″-74″ | 25″-95″ | 29″-95″ |
Shifter | Thumb | Twist or Thumb | Lever* | Lever* | Twist | Twist or Thumb |
Efficiency | Very good | Very good | Good | Medium | Good | Medium |
Axle | Solid 10mm | Quick release | Solid 10mm | Solid 10mm | Solid 10mm | Solid 13/32″ |
Disc brake | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | No |
Kit cost | £1795 | £1595 | £795 | £725 | £725 | £395 |
Gear ratios are the most common possibilities – with the Rohloff and Kindernay, they are with the smallest possible rear cog and largest Brompton front ring (54t). With the Alfine and Enviolo, it’s 18t/50t. So getting higher gears is possible on the Alfine and Enviolo hubs, more difficult with the Kindernay and Rohloff.
I know it seems a bit odd that the Kindernay has a wider range than the Rohloff but has very similar gear ratios, but it’s because the difference between 18″ and 19″ at the bottom end is a much bigger difference than between 98″ and 100″ at the top end.
Other factors are harder to quantify in a table: In terms of fitting, the Rohloff is easiest – it’s a simple quick release hub (though I usually use an Allen key skewer) and cable fitting is very simple. The Alfine and Enviolo hubs are nutted, so need a spanner to fit, but cabling is pretty simple. The Kindernay is the most complex, with a nutted through axle, and hydraulic shifting that has to be cut and perhaps re-bled to fit.
*A rapid-fire shifter is available, but I strongly recommend the Jtek shifter for the Brompton handlebars.
Brompton Rear Hinge Removal
The zero-hassle guide to removing Brompton rear pivot bolts – these can sometimes be a nightmare to get out, but this technique never fails.
Continue reading “Brompton Rear Hinge Removal”Why Ride a Folder?
Why Ride a Folder?
Bikes can be very inconvenient when they are not being ridden. You need to find somewhere to park them safely or squeeze them onto some other form of transport. By contrast a folding bike is there when you need it, and when you don’t it packs away easily under seats or in lockers. You can commute by train using the same cycle at both ends, and a folding bike can be taken anywhere, even into a bar or restaurant with you for security.
Folding bikes have become very sophisticated – the old Dawes Kingpin of the 1960’s with it’s heavy frame and simple hinge has been replaced by a wide range of lightweight high performance cycles which fold much smaller and are far better to ride.